Now that I have all that off my chest, I can wipe my hands of it and move forward....
Thank you all for following my saga and your encouraging words.
Just a last tidbit - David owes us a pretty decent chunk of money. Since he is in default, we have a judgment that allows us to put a lien against him anytime during the next four years, and it will remain active if not paid for twenty. We haven't pursued it yet, cause basically, we do not have the money to do so. But all in good time....
Now, onward to bigger and better topics.....
Thursday, February 4, 2010
Wednesday, January 27, 2010
David Tieman and Tiemans Fusion Coffee....
Do you think Jesus hated Judas?
Part of what I'm struggling with now is - forgive me, I know this is a strong word - hate. As a christian we are not asked, nor is it suggested, its not even up for debate, we are commanded to love. 1John 4:21 "And he has given us this command: Whoever loves God must also love his brother."
I know Jesus understands completely what I'm going through. Jesus was betrayed by someone he called brother, Judas was part of his inner circle.
Rick's relationship with David in the beginning was solid - they were connected at the hip, on the same page, on the phone almost every hour. From June until a conversation that took place in December, they were tight. In December Rick informed David we could no longer help him out financially, we had personally given David over that six month period thirty thousand dollars. I am not exaggerating when I say this, from that very point David did a 180. He became a completely different person, and his loyalty disappeared. The bible tells us that Judas betrayed Jesus for thirty coins - for us the betrayal began once we stopped at thirty coins. At this point David was no longer bound to Rick, but to the next two people who could help him out with his personal finances. We believe David began accepting money from two others, and from that point on, just as Judas did, he watched for any opportunity to betray my husband.
Who are these two other people you may ask. Rick and David had two outside independent sales contractors. One was a friend of my husband (lets refer to him as JS), the other was a woman my husband's friend was associated with. From the get go my husband did not trust this woman. From the get go we nicknamed her the Serpent, we knew she was bad news and nothing good was going to come from her. There were two different occasions that confirmed our belief they were providing David with money - the Serpent asked my husband for money because - in her words - she had lent money to David (who was out of town) and needed a check to cover an expense. When my husband questioned a check that David had wrote to JS, which on the memo said it was for commission but was too much money for it to be only for commission, David told my husband he had borrowed money from JS. So how much money did they put in his pocket, we don't know, but be it $50 or $5,000 David had now become indebted and loyal to JS and the Serpent. Loyalty to my husband as his partner had ceased, it was now all about "his team".
There is no doubt that Judas had a love for money. He betrayed for money. He also chastised Mary over an act of love and worship to Jesus because he deemed her gift a waste, stating the money could have been used to help the poor. John 12:6 states "he did not say this because he cared about the poor but because he was a thief; as keeper of the money bag, he used to help himself to what was put into it."
***If you take a gander at the Tiemans webside in the About tab there is the "Our Causes" section. They state, and I quote, "For every cup, can or pack sold, we give a piece back to these organizations" and they say they provide, and I quote, "We give 5% of our profits to these groups". First of all, the second group listed, growthecure.org is not even an organization. This is just an idea of David's, if you click on the website you will see there isn't even a website... As for awaytohelp.org - absolutely valid, an awesome organization, however, the only monies ever given to them was when my husband was still a part of the company. My educated guess is, there is no money being donated to any "causes", but it sure looks good on the About page doesn't it? And if the money is being funneled into growthecure, well, we know who's pocket that funnels to, don't we?
At the end of Judas' story we find out "he was seized with remorse" and tried to give back the 30 coins stating "I have sinned, for I have betrayed innocent blood" Matthew 27:3-4. Somehow I don't think this is how our story will end, unfortunately I fear Proverbs 37:21 "the wicked borrow and never repay..". Judas also hung himself. Now of course I do not wish for any harm, I do not hate him that much, but a verse that God gave to me on July 26, 2009 sticks with me "People with integrity have firm footing, but those who follow crooked paths will slip and fall" Proverbs 10:9.
So, do I really think Jesus hated Judas. Not at all. I believe that Jesus must have grieved considerably knowing that Judas - his brother - allowed his desires to place him in a position where Satan could manipulate him. I believe David allowed the Serpent to manipulate him, I believe David enjoys the praises of man over the praises of God, and I believe that David chooses to stay in the darkness convincing himself he is not the one who sinned. But that is just my belief. "I the Lord search the heart and examine the mind, to reward everyone according to their conduct, according to what their deeds deserve." Jeremiah 17:10
I am praying for God's strength to instill in me a forgiving heart. I am working on getting "rid of all bitterness, rage, anger, harsh words, and slander, as well as all types of evil behavior. Instead, be kind to each other, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, just as God through Christ has forgiven you" Ephesians 4:31-32.
Through God's strength I believe someday I'll get there.....
** Update: About 9 months after this posting, Tieman's finally removed their "Causes" portion on their website. To date, David Tieman is 15 month delinquent on paying for the purchase of the company.
**Update Update: It has now been 2 years since David Tieman of Tiemans Fusion Coffee was to pay us for our half of the company. We have not received a dime... The only words we have received from him was that he was making enough money from coffee that he had not needed to get a job. How nice....
*** Update Update Update: On September 17th 2011 David made it official that he never intends to pay for our half of the company. He filed for personal bankruptcy. So it appears I was right ~ Proverbs 37:21...
Part of what I'm struggling with now is - forgive me, I know this is a strong word - hate. As a christian we are not asked, nor is it suggested, its not even up for debate, we are commanded to love. 1John 4:21 "And he has given us this command: Whoever loves God must also love his brother."
I know Jesus understands completely what I'm going through. Jesus was betrayed by someone he called brother, Judas was part of his inner circle.
Rick's relationship with David in the beginning was solid - they were connected at the hip, on the same page, on the phone almost every hour. From June until a conversation that took place in December, they were tight. In December Rick informed David we could no longer help him out financially, we had personally given David over that six month period thirty thousand dollars. I am not exaggerating when I say this, from that very point David did a 180. He became a completely different person, and his loyalty disappeared. The bible tells us that Judas betrayed Jesus for thirty coins - for us the betrayal began once we stopped at thirty coins. At this point David was no longer bound to Rick, but to the next two people who could help him out with his personal finances. We believe David began accepting money from two others, and from that point on, just as Judas did, he watched for any opportunity to betray my husband.
Who are these two other people you may ask. Rick and David had two outside independent sales contractors. One was a friend of my husband (lets refer to him as JS), the other was a woman my husband's friend was associated with. From the get go my husband did not trust this woman. From the get go we nicknamed her the Serpent, we knew she was bad news and nothing good was going to come from her. There were two different occasions that confirmed our belief they were providing David with money - the Serpent asked my husband for money because - in her words - she had lent money to David (who was out of town) and needed a check to cover an expense. When my husband questioned a check that David had wrote to JS, which on the memo said it was for commission but was too much money for it to be only for commission, David told my husband he had borrowed money from JS. So how much money did they put in his pocket, we don't know, but be it $50 or $5,000 David had now become indebted and loyal to JS and the Serpent. Loyalty to my husband as his partner had ceased, it was now all about "his team".
There is no doubt that Judas had a love for money. He betrayed for money. He also chastised Mary over an act of love and worship to Jesus because he deemed her gift a waste, stating the money could have been used to help the poor. John 12:6 states "he did not say this because he cared about the poor but because he was a thief; as keeper of the money bag, he used to help himself to what was put into it."
***If you take a gander at the Tiemans webside in the About tab there is the "Our Causes" section. They state, and I quote, "For every cup, can or pack sold, we give a piece back to these organizations" and they say they provide, and I quote, "We give 5% of our profits to these groups". First of all, the second group listed, growthecure.org is not even an organization. This is just an idea of David's, if you click on the website you will see there isn't even a website... As for awaytohelp.org - absolutely valid, an awesome organization, however, the only monies ever given to them was when my husband was still a part of the company. My educated guess is, there is no money being donated to any "causes", but it sure looks good on the About page doesn't it? And if the money is being funneled into growthecure, well, we know who's pocket that funnels to, don't we?
At the end of Judas' story we find out "he was seized with remorse" and tried to give back the 30 coins stating "I have sinned, for I have betrayed innocent blood" Matthew 27:3-4. Somehow I don't think this is how our story will end, unfortunately I fear Proverbs 37:21 "the wicked borrow and never repay..". Judas also hung himself. Now of course I do not wish for any harm, I do not hate him that much, but a verse that God gave to me on July 26, 2009 sticks with me "People with integrity have firm footing, but those who follow crooked paths will slip and fall" Proverbs 10:9.
So, do I really think Jesus hated Judas. Not at all. I believe that Jesus must have grieved considerably knowing that Judas - his brother - allowed his desires to place him in a position where Satan could manipulate him. I believe David allowed the Serpent to manipulate him, I believe David enjoys the praises of man over the praises of God, and I believe that David chooses to stay in the darkness convincing himself he is not the one who sinned. But that is just my belief. "I the Lord search the heart and examine the mind, to reward everyone according to their conduct, according to what their deeds deserve." Jeremiah 17:10
I am praying for God's strength to instill in me a forgiving heart. I am working on getting "rid of all bitterness, rage, anger, harsh words, and slander, as well as all types of evil behavior. Instead, be kind to each other, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, just as God through Christ has forgiven you" Ephesians 4:31-32.
Through God's strength I believe someday I'll get there.....
** Update: About 9 months after this posting, Tieman's finally removed their "Causes" portion on their website. To date, David Tieman is 15 month delinquent on paying for the purchase of the company.
**Update Update: It has now been 2 years since David Tieman of Tiemans Fusion Coffee was to pay us for our half of the company. We have not received a dime... The only words we have received from him was that he was making enough money from coffee that he had not needed to get a job. How nice....
*** Update Update Update: On September 17th 2011 David made it official that he never intends to pay for our half of the company. He filed for personal bankruptcy. So it appears I was right ~ Proverbs 37:21...
Tuesday, January 26, 2010
2009.... July....
Are you wondering what could have possibly taken place now??!! The very next day after the mediation, the judge called our lawyer, ironically while my husband was on the phone with her. He told her in all his years he had never seen anything like what transpired the day prior - you go to mediation to avoid a lawsuit, not to serve one. He asked if he could give it another shot and try and mediate a settlement. Why would we disagree.
Over the next several weeks, and way too many thousands of dollars later we came to a buy out agreement. David Tieman agreed to pay us within 45 days of signing.
He is now six months past due on his fiduciary obligation.
We have not seen a dime.
Over the next several weeks, and way too many thousands of dollars later we came to a buy out agreement. David Tieman agreed to pay us within 45 days of signing.
He is now six months past due on his fiduciary obligation.
We have not seen a dime.
Sunday, January 24, 2010
2009.... Mediation....
Luckily my kids and I were in Colorado the weeks leading up to and on the day of mediation, so my husband was able to concentrate on getting his stuff together, and the kids and I were occupied and away from all the stress. My girlfriend and I did some retail therapy to try and keep my mind off of what was going on at home, it seemed like eternity before I finally heard from my husband.
I finally received a phone call - everything was going great. David Tieman had told the judge that there was no way he wanted to stay in business with my husband and wanted to buy us out. Awesome - great news. They were on a lunch break, David's lawyer was getting paperwork drawn up, we were well on our way to parting ways, all was looking up, this nightmare was going to be over... Or so we thought....
A little more insight into the character of David Tieman. This mediation was set up so that Rick and his lawyer were in one room, David Tieman and and his lawyer were in another, and the judge bounced in between the two rooms. The two rooms that my husband and David Tieman were in happen to be across from each other and happened to be glass. Because my husband had nothing to hide from, nothing to be ashamed of, nothing to fear, he sat looking right at David's room. David Tieman on the other hand, sat with his back to my husband's room. Coward - plain and simple.
Anyway.... hours pass and I have not heard another word from my husband. It's about 6pm California time so I'm wondering why he hasn't called me or returned my calls. When I finally get a hold of him it was obvious all was not well. As typical with David Tieman, key points to the buy out that were agreed upon prior to lunch where then changed to something completely different when they came back from lunch. When my husband and his lawyer disagreed with what came back, and the judge agreed that they were not the original terms, the judge went to speak with David Tieman and his legal counsel. David's lawyer then walked into my husband's room, slammed paperwork down on the desk and announced that he had been served. David Tieman, three weeks prior to our mediation, had already filed a lawsuit against not only Rick, but against me as well. Because, well, fighting two lawsuits cost twice as much.
And this is my favorite part - David Tieman walked out of his room practically walking side ways to avoid any and all possibility of having eye contact with my husband - and trust me, Rick was trying with all his might to make eye contact.
Coward.... Plain and simple....
I finally received a phone call - everything was going great. David Tieman had told the judge that there was no way he wanted to stay in business with my husband and wanted to buy us out. Awesome - great news. They were on a lunch break, David's lawyer was getting paperwork drawn up, we were well on our way to parting ways, all was looking up, this nightmare was going to be over... Or so we thought....
A little more insight into the character of David Tieman. This mediation was set up so that Rick and his lawyer were in one room, David Tieman and and his lawyer were in another, and the judge bounced in between the two rooms. The two rooms that my husband and David Tieman were in happen to be across from each other and happened to be glass. Because my husband had nothing to hide from, nothing to be ashamed of, nothing to fear, he sat looking right at David's room. David Tieman on the other hand, sat with his back to my husband's room. Coward - plain and simple.
Anyway.... hours pass and I have not heard another word from my husband. It's about 6pm California time so I'm wondering why he hasn't called me or returned my calls. When I finally get a hold of him it was obvious all was not well. As typical with David Tieman, key points to the buy out that were agreed upon prior to lunch where then changed to something completely different when they came back from lunch. When my husband and his lawyer disagreed with what came back, and the judge agreed that they were not the original terms, the judge went to speak with David Tieman and his legal counsel. David's lawyer then walked into my husband's room, slammed paperwork down on the desk and announced that he had been served. David Tieman, three weeks prior to our mediation, had already filed a lawsuit against not only Rick, but against me as well. Because, well, fighting two lawsuits cost twice as much.
And this is my favorite part - David Tieman walked out of his room practically walking side ways to avoid any and all possibility of having eye contact with my husband - and trust me, Rick was trying with all his might to make eye contact.
Coward.... Plain and simple....
Saturday, January 23, 2010
2009.... And The Saga Continues....
Alrighty, lets march forward with the story....
March, April and May..... Oh my my!!
Obviously trust became a HUGE issue, but as I stated, we were too far invested in this dream and my husband felt it was still possible to get things under control. The problem we didn't really comprehend at that time is, "things" weren't out of control, people were.
Because it would take me forever to fill in all the gaps, and because I don't want to bore you, I'll just say that everything continued to slide downhill. It would have its moments of looking promising, but then lack of character and lack of integrity would prove that things were not changing.
Fast forward to Memorial Day, 2009. This would be the last day my husband would have an actual conversation with his partner David Tieman....
Now, for the sake of "the other side of the story", truth be told, by this time David Tieman had come to really dislike my husband. I would take a gander that if you talked to him he would tell you that my husband is selfish and has anger issues. If not agreeing with or to everything your partner desires is selfish, if running a company with integrity and efficiently is selfish, then yes my husband is selfish. If getting frustrated with someone who can not be told he's incorrect, who does not like to be questioned about his actions, who makes decisions based on what he wants not what is right or best for the company, then yes, my husband was easily angered. Not to mention we had everything financially on the line. We were investing our funds into this company, we had everything monetary to lose.
Back to Memorial Day.... Tiemans Fusion Coffee was at an outside event serving coffee. I believe the straw that broke the camel's back occurred that day. My husband questioned David Tieman on a purchase that he had made and as I stated David Tieman does not like being questioned. I also believe at this point it had become David's opinion that he was ranked the superior partner who had the only right to make any and every decision - period. They worked the event, went their separate ways, and then all communication from him stopped. During that week we did receive a text message from him stating that he was sick, but he would not answer a phone call or email message.
During the next several weeks, and still no communication with my husband, David Tieman started draining the company bank account. Once again, a substantial amount of the money was written to himself.
Finally we receive a phone call....
To meet him at his lawyer's office. We lawyer up, and a mediation date is set for July.....
To be continued....
March, April and May..... Oh my my!!
Obviously trust became a HUGE issue, but as I stated, we were too far invested in this dream and my husband felt it was still possible to get things under control. The problem we didn't really comprehend at that time is, "things" weren't out of control, people were.
Because it would take me forever to fill in all the gaps, and because I don't want to bore you, I'll just say that everything continued to slide downhill. It would have its moments of looking promising, but then lack of character and lack of integrity would prove that things were not changing.
Fast forward to Memorial Day, 2009. This would be the last day my husband would have an actual conversation with his partner David Tieman....
Now, for the sake of "the other side of the story", truth be told, by this time David Tieman had come to really dislike my husband. I would take a gander that if you talked to him he would tell you that my husband is selfish and has anger issues. If not agreeing with or to everything your partner desires is selfish, if running a company with integrity and efficiently is selfish, then yes my husband is selfish. If getting frustrated with someone who can not be told he's incorrect, who does not like to be questioned about his actions, who makes decisions based on what he wants not what is right or best for the company, then yes, my husband was easily angered. Not to mention we had everything financially on the line. We were investing our funds into this company, we had everything monetary to lose.
Back to Memorial Day.... Tiemans Fusion Coffee was at an outside event serving coffee. I believe the straw that broke the camel's back occurred that day. My husband questioned David Tieman on a purchase that he had made and as I stated David Tieman does not like being questioned. I also believe at this point it had become David's opinion that he was ranked the superior partner who had the only right to make any and every decision - period. They worked the event, went their separate ways, and then all communication from him stopped. During that week we did receive a text message from him stating that he was sick, but he would not answer a phone call or email message.
During the next several weeks, and still no communication with my husband, David Tieman started draining the company bank account. Once again, a substantial amount of the money was written to himself.
Finally we receive a phone call....
To meet him at his lawyer's office. We lawyer up, and a mediation date is set for July.....
To be continued....
A Little Additional Info.....
Before I continue with the rest of '09, I want to give you a little bit more background....
Tiemans Fusion Coffee was established in the summer of 2008. My husband and his partner shook hands one sunny day on the beach in San Clemente and decided to go forward into business.
My husband's business partner is my husband's cousins husband (follow that??!). In a nutshell, he's family. We spent every Saturday night together attending church and dinner afterward. They joined our church small group and were at our home every Wed. night.
The point I'm making is, our relationship was not only based on a social one because we are family, but we were also rooted in the same christian principals and values....
Or so we thought....
Tiemans Fusion Coffee was established in the summer of 2008. My husband and his partner shook hands one sunny day on the beach in San Clemente and decided to go forward into business.
My husband's business partner is my husband's cousins husband (follow that??!). In a nutshell, he's family. We spent every Saturday night together attending church and dinner afterward. They joined our church small group and were at our home every Wed. night.
The point I'm making is, our relationship was not only based on a social one because we are family, but we were also rooted in the same christian principals and values....
Or so we thought....
Thursday, January 21, 2010
2009.... Continued....
February continued with more crappiness...
After I returned from Colorado, and while I was still struggling with significant amounts of emotions, we received a phone call from the bank regarding our business account. It was overdrawn almost ten thousand dollars!
As a reminder, my husband and his partner had started a coffee business in 2008. My husband had fiduciary control, the only one with a check book and debit card.
Of course my husband called David Tieman immediately to find out what could possibly be going on. David Tieman played stupid, stating he would "immediately" run to the bank to get a current statement and then "be right over". He said this for four days. My husband finally went to the bank himself and found out the truth we suspected all along, without our knowledge his partner ordered checks and a card from the bank and paid all his personal bills out of the company account for the month of February.
In a nutshell, he had two weeks to replace the money into the bank but, unfortunately for us, he was not able to do so. We had to borrow the money from my parents to prevent the bank from closing our account and going forward with legal action.
I am forty three years old, can I tell you how much it sucked to go to my parents asking for money? And to be told by your partner, there was nothing wrong with what he did, he had to pay his bills!! I tell my children all the time, if you have to hide it, IT'S WRONG, plain and simple.
At that point, we should have taking a long hard look at the situation and looked for an exit strategy, but we were too emotionally and financially invested to see the true character of who we were in business with.
To be continued....
After I returned from Colorado, and while I was still struggling with significant amounts of emotions, we received a phone call from the bank regarding our business account. It was overdrawn almost ten thousand dollars!
As a reminder, my husband and his partner had started a coffee business in 2008. My husband had fiduciary control, the only one with a check book and debit card.
Of course my husband called David Tieman immediately to find out what could possibly be going on. David Tieman played stupid, stating he would "immediately" run to the bank to get a current statement and then "be right over". He said this for four days. My husband finally went to the bank himself and found out the truth we suspected all along, without our knowledge his partner ordered checks and a card from the bank and paid all his personal bills out of the company account for the month of February.
In a nutshell, he had two weeks to replace the money into the bank but, unfortunately for us, he was not able to do so. We had to borrow the money from my parents to prevent the bank from closing our account and going forward with legal action.
I am forty three years old, can I tell you how much it sucked to go to my parents asking for money? And to be told by your partner, there was nothing wrong with what he did, he had to pay his bills!! I tell my children all the time, if you have to hide it, IT'S WRONG, plain and simple.
At that point, we should have taking a long hard look at the situation and looked for an exit strategy, but we were too emotionally and financially invested to see the true character of who we were in business with.
To be continued....
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